For the long haul, supporting networks of both clergy and laity will be necessary to sustain interest. Disciple-making pastors must pass on their vision and leadership to laymen who will remain in the churches after the pastors leave. It must be admitted, however, that new pastors want to stake out their new ideas, and most laity go along with them. Most pastoral changes are made not because of theology or philosophy of ministry. They are made because of bread-and-butter issues such as attendance,